User talk:Mikeyc21

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What the heck is this "talk" stuff?

How do I find or go to different name spaces? What are name spaces? JulietS 09:50, 3 November 2005 (PST)

Answered on User_talk:JulietS.

Nice sidebars -- everywhere but the main page ;). Logista 05:10, 12 November 2005 (PST)

Better. Thanks! Logista 17:57, 12 November 2005 (PST)

Sorry about the deletes. I didn't see a note about { {delete} } in the instructions. Where is it? Vaguery 07:05, 20 May 2006 (PDT)

Just popping by to say Thanks! You are doing an AWESOME job on this DP Wiki, Mike! I cannot believe how complete and easy to use it is and yet so new! I'm totally enjoying it. :D Thank you for all your work! Estreya 18:38, 21 May 2006 (PDT)

Regarding [2], it's probably better to leave old questions there so that others can also benefit from the answer. Mikeyc21 10:55, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
The material was highlighted on another page. I note, with an eeny bit of pointed irony, our discussion in the first few lines at User talk:Vaguery :)

DP Jargon

Thanks for the hints. Starting with your example for CP, and Wwoods (I think it was) small hint on Categories, and some reading on the MediaWiki site, I'm really picking up this wiki markup stuff quite quickly. It's really pretty easy to pick up the basics of a new markup syntax when you already know some others. Tonight, I've been methodically working towards all your hints, in a step-by-step manner. I had planned that the eventual DP Jargon page itself will read pretty much like FAQ, and as you suggest for most terms have only one listing for each item, showing the acronyms inline with the full names. I did say "most." As I set up the individual definition/template pages, I am setting the acronyms to redirect to the fully-named page. So far, the one exception to that is the "DP" acronym. The page "Distributed Proofreaders" has a lot of good information, but it goes well beyond a simple definition that would be found in a Jargon list. Thus, what I've done is provide a link on the DP page to the "Distributed Proofreaders" page. I hope it stays that way, but I fully realize that someone else can change it if they want to. I may run into a similar issue with OCR, but at this stage I'm thinking that I can deal with that issue with a bit of text editing and some tags that I can have "OCR" redirect to the "Optical Character Recognition." I'll see when I hit that one how exactly I think it should best be handled.

Right now my "sandbox" page still has separate sections for the acronyms and canonical terms, but I plan to consolodate those after I get all the individual definition/template pages set up. (That's the step-by-step side of my nature coming out again). The little "I'm working on the DP Jargon" explanatory line I've added to my template is another manifestation of my methodical-ness. :)

Anyway, the one suggestion that I may not take/follow is the one about not setting up Jargon subpages. I am pretty strongly in favor of those, but I plan to leave that "to the end," and I may end up changing my mind once I get to the point of actually setting those up.

Because of the two "core" templates I am using for all the definition pages, I don't anticipate that I'll need any mass moves/deletes etc. My plan is that once everthing is set the way I want, I just update the code in my two core template files, and copy the code from my Sandbox page to the DP Jargon page, and cross my fingers that everything works the way I anticipate. I will let you know if I need some help, though, so thanks for the offer.

I do hope that no one minds too much that I've sort of taken over the Jargon page, but as an educator, I've done things like this many times, although never on a wiki. Thus, I'm having fun, learning, and trying to anticipate how newbies to DP will reserach Jargon, all at the same time.

Again thanks for the suggestions/hints, and if you come up with any more, I'd be happy to hear them. (I hope these notes make sense.) As ever, kraester, the verbose. Kraester 22:12, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

I've made a pass at a much-reduced floating template for Kraester's project, in the [[Talk:DP_Jargon_Template_template | Talk page for the template template template template]] :). Is there an actual float-right template of this sort already? I can't recall how to look at all installed templates. Vaguery 06:47, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Another thing, regarding the subpages: If I hear some DP Jargon and want to look it up in the jargon file, how am I supposed to know whether it's Jargon Related to User Roles or Jargon Related to Project Workflow or ... ? Mikeyc21 06:08, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

My idea is not really a true subpage idea. Instead I was planning that there will be one page with ALL the jargon terms, not a listing/ink to every single (what I'm calling) defintion pages, but just with each canonical term, so to speak, but then there would ALSO be pages that contain just subsets of terms, like the Group activities someone working in the Mentoring pages had previously created, and there would be a fair amount of overlap between them. I'm pulling these ideas with my work on normalizing databases, where pure 3NF isn't always the best from a user perspective even though is is technically the most efficient. That's also why I've created so many stubby-definition-redirect pages. I'm trying to anticipate the terms that someone might search on, and get them to the info they are looking for. (To help deal with some of the complaints I've seen popping up in the Wiki-related forum threads about finding stuff on the Wiki.) Kraester 17:03, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

I've jumped in and slightly modified the template you're constructing, since little green words are already appearing on every live page you've labeled on the wiki. :) I've moved your comments to the Discussion page, and have simplified the layout so that the label is now a right-floating box. I've tried to include the links you mentioned, hope I got them all. So far it seems as if the template call will need to be at the top of the page to float at the upper right corner; I'll look into improving the style definitions, or working with something already installed in another template.

I had planned on using a format something like what you had created for the navigation aids, but was waiting until I got all the definition-pages and stubby-definition-redirect pages created first. I also thought it was likely that I would be stumbling upon more of what I call "Jargon-subset" pages, like the Group activities page as I exploreed a bit more seeing what "definition-type" pages already existed. I do have to admit that the right-floating box thing was something I hadn't thought of so thanks for starting that for me. Yes, if the navigation aids are going at the right, we'll have to modify every defintion-page. I had originally envisioned them at the bottom of the pages, kind of as "footer bread-crumbs," but the floating-box might be better.
Regarding the green text included on my template. I actually put those notes in green in the template itself to let people know why I was modifying some of their pages (added 's etc.) and why some of the links were leading to a very different place where they will eventually go. I know that kind of information really shoudld have gone on the Discussion page, but I also know that there are many Wiki newbies here who still haven't got a firm grasp on what Talk/Discussion in a Wiki is all about. I didn't think it would hurt for the 2-3 days it would be there until I got the master Jargon template finalized. Kraester 17:03, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

I'd suggest we move the Template to

Jargon Guides
sooner rather than later. The current name is really a bit wordy wordy. I think to avoid double redirects, we will want to do a global replace. We could do that by hand, though, still. 
I guess I assumed wrongly that the length of a page name wasn't a big concern. I intentionally used a long/wordy/descriptive page name for my "master" template, thinking that most people would never need or want to go to that page, and a long/descriptive page name would be less likely to be "hit" accidentally on a keyword search. The way I had envisioned it, the only time the anyone would need to visit the DP Jargon Template template page would be to modify the navigation aid scheme, and in that case, the page could be easily accessed from the edit code of any definition page. But if having a long page name for a template in the template-calls on all the definiton pages uses more storage space than I thought it would, I am sorry; I should have asked about that. I had thought the "inefficiency" of the extra characters in the page name would be more than compenstated for by the decreased likelihood of someone "hitting" that page accidentally from a search on a jargon term. Like I said, I should have asked about that.
Jmdyck 17:41, 24 May 2006 (PDT): I doubt there's a problem in terms of storage space. It's just that, in order to use the template, people have to a) remember its name, and b) type it in. The longer you make the name, the more likely they'll mis-remember, mis-type, or maybe even not bother. Plus the naming convention seems to be that templates don't include the word "template" in their name (let alone twice).
... As for the fear of people stumbling on a simpler-named template from a keyword search, it looks like doing a sidebar search for a template name (e.g., "delete") doesn't return the template page (although it does return pages that invoke the template). You have to go down to the "Search in namespaces" section and tick "Template" to get Template:Delete to show up as an article title match.
And is that an actual "move," or just a "categorization" that's going to be needed? I'm a bit unclear on that.
Thanks again for the comments/help.

A great idea, all in all! Vaguery 08:09, 24 May 2006 (PDT)


Mike, I've been switching back and forth between skins (can't read the Monobook skin when I don't have my contacts in), and they're not there anymore. Did you disable them? Can we please have them back? Thanks. Vaguery 19:02, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

(Later... they're back) Thanks! Vaguery 06:05, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

Bringing over FAQs?

I've noticed two or three great attempts to address the "why's" of the Proofreading and Formatting FAQs. I'm wondering if we can bring copies of them over, with (explicitly noted) administrative locks on them? I balk at locking, but at the same time it's very difficult to link to anchors in the main site FAQ copies, and they could greatly benefit from being wikified and hypertextualized here. Vaguery 06:08, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

Magic tags

Hi. Are there separate Magic tags for PM/PPer and Pages, or are they only available as past of summary? I'd like to use them on List of LaTeX projects, skipping the %state%, since I've already got the projects sorted by round. Wwoods 10:55, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Projectinfo magic tag source code?

I haven't been able to find (in CVS, or anywhere else I've looked) source code for the Projectinfo extension you wrote (I presume) and have on here. Is it posted, or if not, could it be? I'd like to look it over, and maybe suggest some patches. Let me know. JesseW 00:46, 26 December 2006 (PST)